Catina Barrett Catina’s work to tackle mental health inequalities stretches from adolescence through to her recent work at DfE. She is still someone who loves, lives with, respects, admires, and cares for a member of her family who has mental health problems. She is a founding member of the MHFE Crowd, an open group which pro-bono crowd-creates and curates the Mental Health in Further Education (MHFE) virtual network and website. Catina has a special interest in the rarely discussed, hidden in plain sight, hierarchies within mental health. She recently completed 3 years’ intensive leadership of the Department for Education’s Community Learning and Mental Health Research Project. Now, no longer a civil servant, she speaks about the need for ‘education’ to rid itself of policy and practice blinkers and benevolence that add to people’s vulnerabilities to mental health problems and create inequalities. She asks if a ‘pedagogy of hope’ for mental health involves ‘education’ doing the learning. Not learning how to ‘manage classroom behaviour’ or help ‘poor/sad/ suffering/sick people manage their mental health’. But, learning how its structures and systems contribute to mental health inequalities. Learning how to change ‘education’. Learning how to ensure all people with mental health problems get an equal shot at all educational opportunities.